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[Nov. 10th, 2004|12:43 am]
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Fine.

This post has been a long time coming, but I'd just like to say it here, and now, and hopefully never have to say it again.

I am Christian. I don't wear it on my sleeve, but comments like "Christians/religion/whatever are/is stupid" is just mindless and bigoted. And, no, I don't care how 'jokingly' you say it, nor how much I "know what you mean." I'm yet to make value judgements on your beliefs, so keep yours away from me.
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From: dawnfrenzy
2004-11-09 09:35 pm (UTC)
Calling yourself a Christian is as vague and unimportant as me calling myself a European. Where do you stand? Do you believe in a God? The gods? A hereafter? Reincarnation? Abortion? Prayer to help people? Should women be vielded? Would you use contraception? Is self-flagellation an answer to our problems?
How are we meant to make proper "value judgements" (shit, can we please call it criticism?) about a generalisation?
Furthermore, Just because you have decided or have not gotten around to questioning and criticising my beliefs in no way entitles you to some sort of neutrality. I feel very free to criticise your beliefs regardless of what you think (but perhaps not of what you feel). But how am I meant to criticise you when I don't know what to criticise?
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[User Picture]From: this_marionette
2004-11-10 12:22 am (UTC)
I thought I made it pretty obvious how I meant that in the first two sentences of the last paragraph.

The point you've made is spot on. I don't mind people criticing what I believe about issues. But hearing "But Christians are stupid" over and over again from people who know and agree with where I stand on those issues (the religious beliefs aren't relevant, but I believe in God, not the gods, I'm not sure, maybe, pro-choice, maybe but only as a precursor to action, if they so desire, I do).

The problem isn't that it's vague, the problem is that it SHOULD mean nothing to anyone but me, but doesn't. Friends who are otherwise courteous and respectful jump down my throat with "But the world is evil", or "but Christians say this about this".

I probably should have made these points clear in my post, but, knowing what I meant, the post seemed to me to be sufficiently clear.
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[User Picture]From: thorfinn
2004-11-10 12:07 am (UTC)
Well, I generally use the label "fundamentalist Christian nutbags", which I presume you are not (and nor are most of the Christians I know). How's that?
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[User Picture]From: this_marionette
2004-11-10 12:17 am (UTC)
*g* That's just fine. It wasn't aimed at you, at all. In fact, it wasn't really aimed at anyone. I'm just sick of hearing: "You're Christian. But you're so ... intelligent/sane/nice/left."
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[User Picture]From: thorfinn
2004-11-10 12:21 am (UTC)
Understandable. A lot of people are rather ignorant about Christianity, including some that label themselves as Christian. This leads to unfortunate confusion amongst those that aren't. Same applies to Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Taoism, Scientists who treat science as a religion, and, well, an awful lot of religions, really.
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From: dawnfrenzy
2004-11-11 06:26 am (UTC)
I generally conclude that believing in any type of god/s makes you a fundamentalist, because this seems to be where all the bad shit springs from.
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[User Picture]From: this_marionette
2004-11-11 06:30 am (UTC)
That's ridiculous, and unbelievably offensive.

Could I generally conclude that, since sexism exists because of male dominatoin, that being male makes you sexist, because this "seems to be where all the bad shit springs from"?

I mean, you might as well nuke the entire planet, as humanity is also where "all the bad shit springs from."
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From: dawnfrenzy
2004-11-11 09:01 am (UTC)
You're right, I fucked up the way I said that. and I'll scrap it.

Though what I really do mean probably isn't much more pleasurable. I think I'll email you.
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[User Picture]From: thorfinn
2004-11-11 08:29 am (UTC)
Mmm, depends on what sorts of gods, if you ask me, along with what sort of belief. And plenty of people who don't believe in any god have done evil shit too...
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